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I have been living in my truck for about 6 months due to a job loss in Ohio, where I'm
from. I live in South Florida now and I am living in my BOV (Bug Out Vehicle). As an
outdoor enthusiast this is easy for me to do, but I think this is a sign of things to come
and we will be seeing people living in tents and vehicles everywhere (remember "hoover
towns"?). The "mobile homelessness" is so bad that the cops don't even stop people
from doing it anymore. I am very careful in how I live so that I don't look homeless.
I'm just an average guy that has fallen victim to the current economic downturn.
Basically I feel like I am camping and I do not consider myself homeless. It's a sad
fact that I have seen entire families living out of their vehicle who are ill equipped and
not accustomed to such inconviences. I take my showers on the beach, and I surf quite
often. I am very close to getting a job at a campground in the Keys (they let you live
there for free) even though it is minimum wage it seems to be the most promising
option right now.
from. I live in South Florida now and I am living in my BOV (Bug Out Vehicle). As an
outdoor enthusiast this is easy for me to do, but I think this is a sign of things to come
and we will be seeing people living in tents and vehicles everywhere (remember "hoover
towns"?). The "mobile homelessness" is so bad that the cops don't even stop people
from doing it anymore. I am very careful in how I live so that I don't look homeless.
I'm just an average guy that has fallen victim to the current economic downturn.
Basically I feel like I am camping and I do not consider myself homeless. It's a sad
fact that I have seen entire families living out of their vehicle who are ill equipped and
not accustomed to such inconviences. I take my showers on the beach, and I surf quite
often. I am very close to getting a job at a campground in the Keys (they let you live
there for free) even though it is minimum wage it seems to be the most promising
option right now.
How much does it cost you to live?
Well, the key to frugal living is reducing costs. I do not smoke or drink beer and I don't
drive anywhere when I don't have to. I live within walking distance of the beach and guess
how much my total bills were last month? It was somewhere around $50 for my cell phone
bill, and thats it. Imagine some people here spend $1400 a month just for an apartment!, I
spend much of my money on food, I eat like a king and have fresh, healthy foods every
single day. Believe me, I am not suffering. I will take some more recent photos and add
more details soon.
Dan...how do you bypass 'legalities',like if you have a firearm etc
I have with me my compound bow with 15 arrows, I was going to bring my AR-7 survival
rifle but I figured that I really have nothing to hide but the Florida police are asses and I
want to avoid pork interference, so I left it at home. I do have 2500 rounds of .22 ammo
under the rear seat(for trade etc.). I also have a 500,000 volt stun gun and two 4oz. cans
of pepper spray. Of course I have my everyday-carry knives, a hatchet, saws, and
machetes. Everything I have is very legal.
What is the 1 thing you have with you that you find most useful? What is the 1 thing that
you wish you had with you?
1.My laptop, because it keeps me connected to the civilized world, I run it off of a deep
cycle battery w/ a solar panel, I get high speed WIFI internet where I park..LOL.
2. A hand crank radio. I have been putting off buying one, but it would be handy to listen to
NPR and get current news reports. I do have a hand-held scanner that picks up weather,
police, air, sea, and short wave. I use it most often for weather reports.
Is it wrong that I am jealous of you? Do you want to trade? You can have my bills and
headaches and I will live in your truck.
It is nice to wake up every morning with a clear conscience. After living like this I could
never imagine going back to the bill paying life. I did it and I hated it.! I also don't own a
TV. Don't miss that either. I feel liberated and actually happy without MSN, and CNN
constantly talking doom and gloom, not to mention the subliminal mind control they use. I
think it is hilarious that you guys envy me. Everyone else thinks its a crummy despicable
way to live. I used to care what people think so I would watch my surroundings carefully
to see if there was anyone around watching me getting in and out of my truck. But it
doesn't seem to matter here. The cops don't care and the neighbors don't care. I'm like a
neighborhood pet. In fact, I hardly ever move my truck, it usually just stays in the same
space for a week or more. I don't see why some people want conspicuous military type
vehicles that really scream, "I'm prepared come get me!!!" I'm really into the whole "urban
camouflage" thing. Best of all, because I drive something old, no-one wants to break into it.
In the spring I hope to sell some things up north and buy a 4x4 Toyota and put the same
cap on it. I will also add a Yakima Skybox, a rooftop cargo carrier, and a hitch mounted
motorcycle rack. I want to put an enduro on the back. Something like this picture, except
I would have something lighter like a Yamaha yz450f with a street kit. It would weigh
250Lbs. versus 450Lbs. with what this guy has.
How do you go about your meat storage? Long term or short term?
Remember, I have no refrigeration. There is a Publix grocery store two blocks away so I
just walk there and get fresh food. This is how long I generally keep things:
The humidity at night in Florida is unbearable sometimes. How do you cope?
I have two screened sliding windows in my truck that are very efficient. Luckily, where I
park I get a constant steady breeze from the east. I am thinking about hunting down some
of those cowl vents for use on sailboats for even more ventilation.
Why not live in a van?
I had been toying around with the idea of living in a vehicle for some time, and I used to
own a nice conversion van for this purpose. But I soon came to realize that I was spending
more money on gas than an apartment would cost me! So I ended up selling it and then I
got this Toyota with a 22re engine instead. I get about 27mpg so its like having your cake
and eating it too. I bought the cap off craigslist for $150, a sweet deal considering a new
one was $1400! The Yakima rack setup was $70, also off craigslist. Here are a few
helpful things I would like to add:
At any given time I am far more prepared than most people anywhere. I can't wait till
people turn on the faucet and no water comes out, they will be like, WTF? No fresh water
on this island. I have looked, and the only "fresh" water to be found is in swimming pools,
everything else, even estuaries, are contaminated with salt water and who knows what
else. I could just imagine the idiots running around the first three days of wshtf looking
for water, there will be unfathomable paranoia and madness. I keep 5 gallons of back-up
water with two or three 24-packs of water on hand all the time. I also keep about $200
worth of canned food in the black and blue boxes,along with some grains. Unfortunately,
weight is a major consideration so my mobile stores are modest.
The only thing I would like to add is 4 jerry-cans of extra gas, which is coming in the near
future. I have figured all you need for wshtf is ample food, water, and fuel. What more do
you need? Oh yeah... GUNS. I do wish I had brought a few with me. I would consider
buying a .22 handgun maybe a MKII, or a Walther. And For the record I am one of the
guys that thinks that a .22 is a defensive caliber.
I have a super cache back in Ohio in my cabin. This is my most recent pic. It is now finished.
I ran out of money before I got to the inside, so it is bare. Unfortunately, it doesn't have
a woodstove, so there is no heat. I stayed there over the summer until it got too cold.
Everyday I would take a bath in the pond off the dock. I actually slept on the 2nd floor
long before it was finished. Ever read Thoreau's Walden? It felt something like that.
A recipe from some Colombians I know...
UPGRADES! Today I went to my local west marine and bought a 12 volt led light that has a
red and white option, it costs $20 and the red light is stealthy.
Have you had problems with the police?
I have had no problems with police or neighbours anywhere, even when I was staying in
Ohio, West Virginia, or Pennsylvania. The trick is to blend in and be camouflaged with your
surroundings. If I can, I park with the front of the truck out to hide my rear plate so no-
one wonders why an out of state vehicle is parked there. So far, I have never been
questioned by anyone. Notice the urban camouflage stickers on the back of my truck.
They give the impression that I'm a reputable citizen. Of course I follow through with that
impression by being helpful and kind to the neighbours, I even invite them to eat with me
sometimes. That is also my chain and padlock for high crime areas, so my stuff is always
safe. All of my windows are limo tint, even putting your hands against the glass you can't
see in.
What's in the two grey boxes?
Box 1:
Box 2:
What are you using for a bed?
I used some of that interlocking padding at Lowes (cut to fit) for a base.
The blue sleeping mats I got at Wal mart for $12 each. I have never had a better nights
sleep anywhere...
Okay, bear with me guys, I have excellent news. I GOT THE JOB!!! I now live here at my
own "tent" site (picture at right) with water. And the owner wants to get rid of this boat
and asked me if I wanted it... No joke, He just gave me a 16ft catamaran, including dock
space to keep it! This is like a dream come true, things are really starting to turn around
for me.
Well the pay is minimum wage, which is around $7, but it includes all the amenities
(jacuzzi/pool/hot showers/running water)and NO BILLS. I am thankful to have a job
during these tough economic times. I know people who are less fortunate. I have figured
out that nowadays (as I write this) while it may not be impossible to find a job it's ten
times harder.
What do you do for showers?
The shower question is a funny topic, yes the showers on the beach are public and have
only cold water but also have mirrors, private stalls, sink etc. (usually found at public
beaches). There have been many times I have snuck into an apartment complex to use the
shower/pool (I like to refer to it as "stealing showers"). Once again I blend in by acting
like I belong there and so far I have never been stopped or questioned. I also use friends
showers, depending on how well I know them and how much they know about my situation.
Most of the time I just go swimming or surfing in the ocean for a while, rinse off, and wash
my hair. I feel very clean afterwards.
How do you cook?
I do ALL of my cooking in my truck, it is not too hard, and no-one knows I am cooking. I
have never cooked at the beach or on my tailgate etc. If I have to do any industrial re-
organizing or cooking, I usually go to Wall-mart and park way in the back. When you live in
a vehicle you end up noticing subtle nuances that indicate other people that live in there
vehicles also. I have seen people that live in cars, trucks, conversion vans, step vans, box
trucks, VW Vanagons, minivans, and SUVs. With enough innovation you could live in just
about anything I suppose. I have even studied the ACTUAL homeless people, that sleep on
the dunes, behind dumpsters etc. They go to shelters and churches to get hand-outs. I
must stress that I have never taken a handout and I have never been to any of those
places. Part of keeping a low profile is to steer clear of all homeless people, you do not
need them to know who you are or anything about your situation!
Where are you located? Is there much crime? Do you carry a weapon?
My previous position was top secret but now I will declassify that info, since I am not
there anymore, it was Pompano Beach Fl. My new position is secret and I will only disclose
that it is in the Florida Keys. As for crime, it is "area specific." I felt very safe in Pompano,
Hollywood Beach, and New Smyrna. Don't park in the Ghetto, use your common sense.
I don't really feel the need for a CCP (Concealed Carry Permit). I usually carry my stun
gun, knife, or pepper spray (or all three!) . Thus far I have only met nice decent people. I
haven't had to hose or taze anyone yet, but I would not hesitate to do so if I had to. It is
interesting that as humans we have no natural defenses, only our intelligence to carry
tools to protect ourselves.
I did check out the laws on stun and pepper-spray. They are 100% legal in Florida as long as
its for "personal defense," and only stun guns that don't fire a projectile (IE. tasers).
Believe me I don't want to be caught with anything illegal.
I think the Keys would be an excellent place to be if wshtf. We won't have massive, roving
hoards of hungry and angry gangs here. Although there is only one road, why would
someone have to leave in wshtf anyways? Statistically speaking, I don't think its going to
be much of a terrorist hazard (biological,nuclear, or otherwise). In the future if all
power/water is lost we will be set back hundreds of years anyways. Thats why I'm getting
used to it now.
And with my new catamaran, if wshtf, I could "bug out" to many of the outlying Keys that
are uninhabited. Even if I didn't have a boat, many of the boats kept down here will be
lonely and would be EASY to commandeer because most of the owners don't live around
here anyways. The next modest prep for me is to get some nautical charts of the area.
The catamaran might need a new sail which is $300, and some rudder work, so I'm not sure
yet then when its going to be 100% seaworthy. Then, maybe in a month or so, I can be
exploring the outlying islands. I do have many compasses and a hand-held Garmin 60cs, life
vest..etc.
The one biggest problem is getting fresh water, I am seriously considering getting one of
these desalinates, but they are $600!
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=415424
What vehicle would you recommend that is bigger than your truck?
If it wasn't for the urban camo aspect I would choose a Toyota escaper..
PROS-
Or you could retrofit a Toyota box truck, but still no 4 wheel drive. And it is obviously a
box truck. So it will be hard to blend into a residential area. How many people do you know
that their daily driver is a box truck or RV?
My first day at work was today and it went well. They have been training me on the
campground computer software, and it is hard to digest all of this information in one day.
Thanks for all the support!
Well, the key to frugal living is reducing costs. I do not smoke or drink beer and I don't
drive anywhere when I don't have to. I live within walking distance of the beach and guess
how much my total bills were last month? It was somewhere around $50 for my cell phone
bill, and thats it. Imagine some people here spend $1400 a month just for an apartment!, I
spend much of my money on food, I eat like a king and have fresh, healthy foods every
single day. Believe me, I am not suffering. I will take some more recent photos and add
more details soon.
Dan...how do you bypass 'legalities',like if you have a firearm etc
I have with me my compound bow with 15 arrows, I was going to bring my AR-7 survival
rifle but I figured that I really have nothing to hide but the Florida police are asses and I
want to avoid pork interference, so I left it at home. I do have 2500 rounds of .22 ammo
under the rear seat(for trade etc.). I also have a 500,000 volt stun gun and two 4oz. cans
of pepper spray. Of course I have my everyday-carry knives, a hatchet, saws, and
machetes. Everything I have is very legal.
What is the 1 thing you have with you that you find most useful? What is the 1 thing that
you wish you had with you?
1.My laptop, because it keeps me connected to the civilized world, I run it off of a deep
cycle battery w/ a solar panel, I get high speed WIFI internet where I park..LOL.
2. A hand crank radio. I have been putting off buying one, but it would be handy to listen to
NPR and get current news reports. I do have a hand-held scanner that picks up weather,
police, air, sea, and short wave. I use it most often for weather reports.
Is it wrong that I am jealous of you? Do you want to trade? You can have my bills and
headaches and I will live in your truck.
It is nice to wake up every morning with a clear conscience. After living like this I could
never imagine going back to the bill paying life. I did it and I hated it.! I also don't own a
TV. Don't miss that either. I feel liberated and actually happy without MSN, and CNN
constantly talking doom and gloom, not to mention the subliminal mind control they use. I
think it is hilarious that you guys envy me. Everyone else thinks its a crummy despicable
way to live. I used to care what people think so I would watch my surroundings carefully
to see if there was anyone around watching me getting in and out of my truck. But it
doesn't seem to matter here. The cops don't care and the neighbors don't care. I'm like a
neighborhood pet. In fact, I hardly ever move my truck, it usually just stays in the same
space for a week or more. I don't see why some people want conspicuous military type
vehicles that really scream, "I'm prepared come get me!!!" I'm really into the whole "urban
camouflage" thing. Best of all, because I drive something old, no-one wants to break into it.
In the spring I hope to sell some things up north and buy a 4x4 Toyota and put the same
cap on it. I will also add a Yakima Skybox, a rooftop cargo carrier, and a hitch mounted
motorcycle rack. I want to put an enduro on the back. Something like this picture, except
I would have something lighter like a Yamaha yz450f with a street kit. It would weigh
250Lbs. versus 450Lbs. with what this guy has.
How do you go about your meat storage? Long term or short term?
Remember, I have no refrigeration. There is a Publix grocery store two blocks away so I
just walk there and get fresh food. This is how long I generally keep things:
- raw meat-2-3 days
- hotdogs-2-3 days
- eggs- 2 weeks+
- cheese-1-3 days
- REAL butter -month or more
- katsup, mayonesa, jelly, -months
- bread, bananas, Prunes, fresh fruit last a long time.
- 100% fruit juices last 3 days
- apple juice lasts a mysterious while, up to 2 weeks
- canned food- nuff said
The humidity at night in Florida is unbearable sometimes. How do you cope?
I have two screened sliding windows in my truck that are very efficient. Luckily, where I
park I get a constant steady breeze from the east. I am thinking about hunting down some
of those cowl vents for use on sailboats for even more ventilation.
Why not live in a van?
I had been toying around with the idea of living in a vehicle for some time, and I used to
own a nice conversion van for this purpose. But I soon came to realize that I was spending
more money on gas than an apartment would cost me! So I ended up selling it and then I
got this Toyota with a 22re engine instead. I get about 27mpg so its like having your cake
and eating it too. I bought the cap off craigslist for $150, a sweet deal considering a new
one was $1400! The Yakima rack setup was $70, also off craigslist. Here are a few
helpful things I would like to add:
- Limo tint from Lowes.. $16
- privacy curtains
- hobo sandwich cooker
- cast iron pan
- single burner propane stove
- Garmin 200w GPS, very, very helpful
- wshtf gear...duh
At any given time I am far more prepared than most people anywhere. I can't wait till
people turn on the faucet and no water comes out, they will be like, WTF? No fresh water
on this island. I have looked, and the only "fresh" water to be found is in swimming pools,
everything else, even estuaries, are contaminated with salt water and who knows what
else. I could just imagine the idiots running around the first three days of wshtf looking
for water, there will be unfathomable paranoia and madness. I keep 5 gallons of back-up
water with two or three 24-packs of water on hand all the time. I also keep about $200
worth of canned food in the black and blue boxes,along with some grains. Unfortunately,
weight is a major consideration so my mobile stores are modest.
The only thing I would like to add is 4 jerry-cans of extra gas, which is coming in the near
future. I have figured all you need for wshtf is ample food, water, and fuel. What more do
you need? Oh yeah... GUNS. I do wish I had brought a few with me. I would consider
buying a .22 handgun maybe a MKII, or a Walther. And For the record I am one of the
guys that thinks that a .22 is a defensive caliber.
I have a super cache back in Ohio in my cabin. This is my most recent pic. It is now finished.
I ran out of money before I got to the inside, so it is bare. Unfortunately, it doesn't have
a woodstove, so there is no heat. I stayed there over the summer until it got too cold.
Everyday I would take a bath in the pond off the dock. I actually slept on the 2nd floor
long before it was finished. Ever read Thoreau's Walden? It felt something like that.
A recipe from some Colombians I know...
- 2 eggs
- olive oil/butter
- 2 green chilies
- 2 hotdogs/ kielbasa
- spices, minced garlic
- makes a delicious treat!
UPGRADES! Today I went to my local west marine and bought a 12 volt led light that has a
red and white option, it costs $20 and the red light is stealthy.
Have you had problems with the police?
I have had no problems with police or neighbours anywhere, even when I was staying in
Ohio, West Virginia, or Pennsylvania. The trick is to blend in and be camouflaged with your
surroundings. If I can, I park with the front of the truck out to hide my rear plate so no-
one wonders why an out of state vehicle is parked there. So far, I have never been
questioned by anyone. Notice the urban camouflage stickers on the back of my truck.
They give the impression that I'm a reputable citizen. Of course I follow through with that
impression by being helpful and kind to the neighbours, I even invite them to eat with me
sometimes. That is also my chain and padlock for high crime areas, so my stuff is always
safe. All of my windows are limo tint, even putting your hands against the glass you can't
see in.
What's in the two grey boxes?
Box 1:
- gas mask
- assorted teas
- lithium grease
- spare bicycle tube
- bow drill setup
- Katadin water filter
- dozens of lighters
- silverware
- duty belt
Box 2:
- Ontario RAT II
- Ka-bar Kukri
- Germ x
- bug spray
- industrial size dish soap
- Clorox
- hot sauces
- mouth wash
- peroxide
- shampoo
- 8 tubes of toothpaste
What are you using for a bed?
I used some of that interlocking padding at Lowes (cut to fit) for a base.
The blue sleeping mats I got at Wal mart for $12 each. I have never had a better nights
sleep anywhere...
Okay, bear with me guys, I have excellent news. I GOT THE JOB!!! I now live here at my
own "tent" site (picture at right) with water. And the owner wants to get rid of this boat
and asked me if I wanted it... No joke, He just gave me a 16ft catamaran, including dock
space to keep it! This is like a dream come true, things are really starting to turn around
for me.
Well the pay is minimum wage, which is around $7, but it includes all the amenities
(jacuzzi/pool/hot showers/running water)and NO BILLS. I am thankful to have a job
during these tough economic times. I know people who are less fortunate. I have figured
out that nowadays (as I write this) while it may not be impossible to find a job it's ten
times harder.
What do you do for showers?
The shower question is a funny topic, yes the showers on the beach are public and have
only cold water but also have mirrors, private stalls, sink etc. (usually found at public
beaches). There have been many times I have snuck into an apartment complex to use the
shower/pool (I like to refer to it as "stealing showers"). Once again I blend in by acting
like I belong there and so far I have never been stopped or questioned. I also use friends
showers, depending on how well I know them and how much they know about my situation.
Most of the time I just go swimming or surfing in the ocean for a while, rinse off, and wash
my hair. I feel very clean afterwards.
How do you cook?
I do ALL of my cooking in my truck, it is not too hard, and no-one knows I am cooking. I
have never cooked at the beach or on my tailgate etc. If I have to do any industrial re-
organizing or cooking, I usually go to Wall-mart and park way in the back. When you live in
a vehicle you end up noticing subtle nuances that indicate other people that live in there
vehicles also. I have seen people that live in cars, trucks, conversion vans, step vans, box
trucks, VW Vanagons, minivans, and SUVs. With enough innovation you could live in just
about anything I suppose. I have even studied the ACTUAL homeless people, that sleep on
the dunes, behind dumpsters etc. They go to shelters and churches to get hand-outs. I
must stress that I have never taken a handout and I have never been to any of those
places. Part of keeping a low profile is to steer clear of all homeless people, you do not
need them to know who you are or anything about your situation!
Where are you located? Is there much crime? Do you carry a weapon?
My previous position was top secret but now I will declassify that info, since I am not
there anymore, it was Pompano Beach Fl. My new position is secret and I will only disclose
that it is in the Florida Keys. As for crime, it is "area specific." I felt very safe in Pompano,
Hollywood Beach, and New Smyrna. Don't park in the Ghetto, use your common sense.
I don't really feel the need for a CCP (Concealed Carry Permit). I usually carry my stun
gun, knife, or pepper spray (or all three!) . Thus far I have only met nice decent people. I
haven't had to hose or taze anyone yet, but I would not hesitate to do so if I had to. It is
interesting that as humans we have no natural defenses, only our intelligence to carry
tools to protect ourselves.
I did check out the laws on stun and pepper-spray. They are 100% legal in Florida as long as
its for "personal defense," and only stun guns that don't fire a projectile (IE. tasers).
Believe me I don't want to be caught with anything illegal.
I think the Keys would be an excellent place to be if wshtf. We won't have massive, roving
hoards of hungry and angry gangs here. Although there is only one road, why would
someone have to leave in wshtf anyways? Statistically speaking, I don't think its going to
be much of a terrorist hazard (biological,nuclear, or otherwise). In the future if all
power/water is lost we will be set back hundreds of years anyways. Thats why I'm getting
used to it now.
And with my new catamaran, if wshtf, I could "bug out" to many of the outlying Keys that
are uninhabited. Even if I didn't have a boat, many of the boats kept down here will be
lonely and would be EASY to commandeer because most of the owners don't live around
here anyways. The next modest prep for me is to get some nautical charts of the area.
The catamaran might need a new sail which is $300, and some rudder work, so I'm not sure
yet then when its going to be 100% seaworthy. Then, maybe in a month or so, I can be
exploring the outlying islands. I do have many compasses and a hand-held Garmin 60cs, life
vest..etc.
The one biggest problem is getting fresh water, I am seriously considering getting one of
these desalinates, but they are $600!
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=415424
What vehicle would you recommend that is bigger than your truck?
If it wasn't for the urban camo aspect I would choose a Toyota escaper..
PROS-
- affordable- around 3000 to 6000 dollars
- 6cyl engine around 23 mpg.
- Legendary Toyota dependability.
- fits in a parking space.
- Roomy and has shower kitchen etc.
- Not four wheel drive
- Obviously a camper (not stealthy)
- Only were made in the late 80s
Or you could retrofit a Toyota box truck, but still no 4 wheel drive. And it is obviously a
box truck. So it will be hard to blend into a residential area. How many people do you know
that their daily driver is a box truck or RV?
My first day at work was today and it went well. They have been training me on the
campground computer software, and it is hard to digest all of this information in one day.
Thanks for all the support!
By Trooper Dan
Trooper Dan kindly allowed me to copy this wonderful article from a thread he wrote in a survivalist forum. Find the
whole thread here: http://www.whenshtf.com/showthread.php?t=8419&page=8. Some people are attracted to survivalism
and preparedness, while others are repulsed by it. Whatever your reaction is, there are a lot of terrific ideas here that
we can all learn from if we keep an open mind. Questions and comments from readers are in red.
whole thread here: http://www.whenshtf.com/showthread.php?t=8419&page=8. Some people are attracted to survivalism
and preparedness, while others are repulsed by it. Whatever your reaction is, there are a lot of terrific ideas here that
we can all learn from if we keep an open mind. Questions and comments from readers are in red.
